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You think I should start a debate with a debunk of this tired old article so we can send noobs to it instead of rerererefuting it AGAIN and AGAIN?
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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You know, I have to admit, you are making some good points. You must have paid some attention to Medic's arguments in order to rebuttal them. However, I keep seeing a flaw in your arguments. You dismiss a lot of round-earth websites as false and you only seem to accept the flat-earth websites that go with your belief.
You are asking Redmond to explain how you can explain the Earth is round by using stars and astronomy. Then I guess it is fair to say you have some scientific explanations to make, too.
First of all, explain how ships seem to move up from the horizon. You have said previously that refractions in the water accumulated in the air explain this. How exactly, in scientific detail?
Satellites are fake? Then what about GPS? How do we get the information for weather forecasts? How do you even go online? Satellites are a big part of our daily lives. If they were fake, our lives would have been very different.
How exactly would gravity work on a flat earth?
When you look at the moon, as long as it's not full, you can see a crescent shape. That's the round Earth covering part of the moon! If it was flat, how would the moon look curved (as long as it's not a full moon)? And sometimes you see no moon at all. The round Earth has completely covered the round moon.
If the Earth flat, then if you dig far enough, would you fall to nothingness? How would that be even possible? You have previously said that space is a fairytale, so you can't fall into space according to your previous arguments.
@Medic
@Redmond
Please continue with the debate. It might seem like a waste of time, but at least it's worth trying to convince some flat-earthers.
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
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@Ghosty
That's why I refuse to debate flat Earthers any longer. They approach the issue in bad faith and without understanding of the tenets of science, yet adopt the label for their quackery.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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It's indicative of his intellectual dishonesty that he discounts and reduces all the evidence against him as "muh science book" and fake. Hint, erf, if your theory requires discounting all evidence against it as fake it's probably not a very strong one.
Keep proving my point.
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"I keep seeing a flaw in your arguments. You dismiss a lot of round-earth websites as false and you only seem to accept the flat-earth websites that go with your belief."
I myself have measure the earth and it's water. I'm certain it's not a ball. If people have been fooled into believing some strawman that makes them think the earth is a spinning ball, i can give an alternative explanation and or show the errors in their logic. Like thinking that a swinging pendulum proves the earth is moving. In that case, you really have to first assume the earth is moving to believe that nonsense. Since this is what we were taught in school, it's a pill that's easier to swallow. Saying that I "dismiss" ball earth websites is untrue. I refute every proof brought to me.
"First of all, explain how ships seem to move up from the horizon. You have said previously that refractions in the water accumulated in the air explain this. How exactly, in scientific detail?"
A combination of distance and refraction. The image of the ship appears lower and lower as it goes away, it is obstructed by the ground plane. It's all very simple and there's no other way to explain it. It's also the reason for sunsets, and why the bottoms of cities are cut off over lakes etc. It's easier to demonstrate.
"Then what about GPS?"
A multitude of towers now litter our flat earth. All you have to do is get around a few of them and your position is locked.
"How do we get the information for weather forecasts?"
Doppler radar, amongst other ways.
"How do you even go online? "
https://99percentinvisible.org/article/underwater-cloud-inside-cables-carrying-99-international-data-traffic/
Satellites are some great fantasy fiction stories, but like the ball earth, it's time to wake up from it.
"How exactly would gravity work on a flat earth? "
It's just density and buoyancy. What goes up must come down, I explained it in the first page.
"When you look at the moon, as long as it's not full, you can see a crescent shape. That's the round Earth covering part of the moon! If it was flat, how would the moon look curved (as long as it's not a full moon)? And sometimes you see no moon at all. The round Earth has completely covered the round moon."
No, the moon's crescent shape isn't caused by the earth's shadow. That's wrong even in the ball earth model.
"If the Earth flat, then if you dig far enough, would you fall to nothingness? How would that be even possible? You have previously said that space is a fairytale, so you can't fall into space according to your previous arguments."
I'm not taking hypothetical questions sorry. That'd be like me asking you what is past the edge of space.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
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@Medic
Let me use one of your comics. I think it suits this situation.
Here's another one.
"I'm not taking hypothetical questions sorry. That'd be like me asking you what is past the edge of space."
But you said space is a fairytale!
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Here. Felix Baumgartner's fall.
Not from NASA, and you can perfectly see that the Earth is round.
Satisfied?
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This is what the earth's horizon looks a bit more like.
With that camera held just right, any straight line will bend. As Felix nears the grounnd, the earth is even concave, due to the lens.
(It's upside down)
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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@medic
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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don't tell me
don't tell me
it's fake
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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http://dev1.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/13038/#Comment_13038
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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#globetard
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Abracadabra, it is time to tell the truthhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Now he'll go to his grave thinking the earth is a spinning ball and he'll have that cartoon as proof...
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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I would definitely want to see your reaction when you see it.
Yes, muh science book will have to do for me.
I apologize for our intelligence to be so low that we think that the Earth is round.
We must seem so slow to you.
I guess I, along with billions of others, will all go to our graves believing (*cough* knowing *cough*) that the Earth is round.
Oh well.
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https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Flat earth
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Visiting with the parents now, I will respond to your next posts later this evening.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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"How does your model explain direction of rotation of hurricanes which cane be explained by the Coriolis effect in are current mode?"
These questions pertain to a model which is still being disputed among flat earthers. I'm giving you the answers which make the most sense to me. Whether or not they are the correct explanation for the flat earth theory is yet to be known, one thing is certain and has been repeatedly proved, there is no curvature.
This example of the "coriolis effect" is caused by a small and close sun and moon, circling the earth around the north pole. I believe they exert an electromagnetic force upon water, which is diamagnetic. If cloud movement was dictated by the earth's rotation, they would all go in a general westward direction. We feel wind going in any direction. Why are hurricanes effected by the earth's spin but nothing else is?
"How does your model explain the lunar eclipse?"
This is a case of eliminating the impossible, so that the improbable must be true. Selenelions eliminate the earth coming between the earth and the moon. This is where both the sun and moon are seen above the horizon during an eclipse. Over 50 instances have been recorded and this is impossible if the earth were a ball that came between the sun and moon. Case in point.
Anyone with common sense and even a slight understanding of geometry can deduce that the earth could not possibly cause this shadow to come over the moon from above it. What exactly causes the shadow? I'm still trying to figure it out myself, but I've ruled out the earth as a suspect simply because it has been satisfactorily proved to be without curvature or axial or orbital movement in any measurable circumstance. Saying that the earth causes the shadow on the moon is an assumption.
"What about time zones?"
They are caused by the small circling sun relatively close to the earth. A small close sun is almost obvious after only a few hours of research and has experimental and verifiable evidence.
" What about how stars change positions in the sky as you move south?"
This is another aspect of the model which greatly differs from the traditional model. On most flat earth models there is a dome over the earth that rotates with the sun and moon. The sun keeps the time of day, the moon ticks away the time of month and the stars track the time of year, along with the "wandering stars".
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